Episode #62 How to Thrive as a Business Owner with ADHD with Johanna Badenhorst

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Hi, and welcome to another episode I got another great guest for you today. I’d like to introduce you to Johanna Badenhorst, who’s a mother of two young boys an educational developmental psychologist and director of holistic wellness psychology. She has a profound passion for all things ADHD and Perinatal mental health. Johanna has started her own psychology practice in Brisbane last year and launched the ADHD Her Way podcast earlier this year. Like many women, Johanna had a late diagnosis of ADHD. So her own lived experience has fueled her passion for ADHD advocacy and to support other ADH women experiencing chaos, to find clarity and community. So I’d really like to welcome Johanna to the podcast. Hi, Joanna, thank you so much for joining me.

Johanna Badenhorst 02:45

No, thank you so much for having me. It’s a real honour. Fantastic.

Hayley Quinn 02:50

So tell us a little bit about when you run your own practice. But tell me a little bit about what it was that led you to a becoming a psychologist. And then why your own business?

Johanna Badenhorst 03:02

Sure. So I had always had a passion of I guess supporting people i knew that all through my disability support work. I was, you know, finding that really invigorating. And that’s while studying, I guess it took a little while to figure out exactly what I wanted to do. I initially started out doing forensic science, I was really CSI obsessed. And I thought that you know, being a forensic investigator, and eventually forensic psychologists may be exactly the calling for me, little did I notice about one or two in Australia in all of Australia.

So that idea went out the window pretty fast. But then I and I did the criminology and psychology kind of double. So I was really interested in I guess, working with offenders. But I eventually worked out that no, my passion was really working with really early intervention, I suppose as in like, you know, really early on in their kind of development. So I ended up really getting passionate about working with parents and babies was kind of where my passion really lies. And then I got a role in a perinatal clinic and after having worked in education for many years, as a school psychologist, and I knew that wasn’t quite exactly what I wanted to do. But once I went into private practice, I was like, yeah, no, I really love this. And after having had two of my own, I decided that in order to get the flexibility and the freedom and that I really wanted and allowed me to work exactly with the clientele that I was really passionate about working with. I decided to go out on my own last year. And yeah, it was a really good decision. I’m really glad I did it.

Hayley Quinn 04:50

Congratulations! Setting up your own practice is no mean feat. There’s a lot to it isn’t that you’ve kind of gone to university, you’ve done some disability. He worked support work whilst you’re at university. And that really fueled that this was the kind of right sort of helping professionals what you wanted to do. And then you, you’d had different experiences as a psychologist, but I love that you’d said, you realise that if you wanted to work with the clientele you wanted, and you wanted the flexibility that was going to work for you and your family, that it really was that decision, like, I need to do this myself make the decisions for myself and create the business, the way it’s going to work for me.

Johanna Badenhorst 05:32

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I found that once I made that jump, and I guess it was hard at the beginning to kind of, you know, trust that it was the right decision, because I was on mat leave at the time. So it was a bit scary to go into that, like wholeheartedly and just trust the process. So it took a lot of background work, and it was kind of good, not good timing in a way, because I had the ability to kind of set stuff up in the background.

And then, you know, jump into it. And, just hope that some even some people, I guess, most of whom found me through social media, or, via online patent of platforms, and that, I found that my books filled fit, like fairly fast, but exactly what the people who I wanted. And, again, that niche of working in perinatal mental health from the beginning, and really not broadening it too much, because I really wanted to attract, yes, especially the mothers, but also I initially, or women’s health as well, but I was very adamant about that. And I was a bit scared that that might that niching. So, so much might do more harm, or like, you know, it would make it harder to actually feel the books, in a way, you know, like I had enough clients to see that it would be sustainable. But in fact, it actually worked in my favour, because I became a bit more known for that. And that really helped. And I think that’s, yeah, a good decision for me.

Hayley Quinn 07:04

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, such a couple of things that it does take courage doesn’t say, when we’re in a situation where things are, you know, perhaps you’re being employed by somebody things are stable, you’re gonna get pay packet at the end of every week or every month, it does take courage to actually step out and say, well, actually, I’m gonna do it differently. Well done on doing that. And I love that it worked so well for you.

But again, I think you make a really good point is that it can be really important to actually focus in on who you want to work with, because you can become more known. But also, you run the risk, if you just say yes to everybody, you actually run the risk of ending up with a business that you don’t want. So you did really well to kind of niche in really quickly. So you started with the perinatal mental health, but then you yourself had this late diagnosis of ADHD. And that’s led you to want to work with other women who’ve got ADHD. Yeah. So did you kind of then start advertising or expand your business for that as well?

Johanna Badenhorst 08:07

I probably started speaking to that a little bit more, I would say that it’s still not super, probably haven’t updated on my website, anywhere near near enough, I suppose. I’ve kind of left it as is maybe changed a few like words on there. But I still have found that despite all of that, people still seem to like, seek me out for it. Maybe there is certain keywords in there that do come up on the search. Good enough. But yeah, it’s probably all three suits through social media that I’ve been sharing more content on those kinds of topics.

And that has probably led to people finding me for that reason, all word of mouth as well. And yeah, I guess it is something that is it has gotten a bit more traction, as people have maybe started to even, you know, watch things on social media about neurodivergent, ADHD, specifically that, that women have started to get diagnosed more effectively, and then the owner, they kind of want to know, the next steps after that. So there perhaps is still a big gap to feel there. Like it’s more than just being medicated. And it is sometimes hard because you probably know, for your training, we didn’t necessarily get a whole depth of training of how to work with neurodivergent people like I certainly didn’t. So it is a bit more of a minefield of like, okay, well, how do we have more neuro firming practices within our within our clinic, we’ve now started to gain a lot more understanding about trauma informed practice, and there’s a lot of overlap there, but still it’s still a different way of working with an individual.

Hayley Quinn 09:44

Certainly when I was back at university, the information just wasn’t there. We still had these more stereotypical thoughts of what people with ADHD or autism or other neuro divergence kind of looked or sounded like. So things are very much evolving now and it’s great that you’ve got this practice that can help people with that.

So before I move on to ask you other questions, I was just gonna say, a lot of business owners we know and I don’t know the statistics, but I would be so curious. And I’m not expecting you to know them either. By the way we know that a lot of people who go into entrepreneurship and business ownership, there’s a high percentage of people who are neurodivergent, which makes sense, right? Because it’s hard to kind of work within the confines of a very neurotypical kind of workplace. So I’m imagining many of the people listening in on my podcast, would be neuro divergent, or suspecting perhaps. So what would be your advice to somebody who’s kind of listening and thinking, Oh, ADHD, neuro divergence? Maybe that’s me, or what should I do next? What would you say to them?

Johanna Badenhorst 10:55

It is interesting. And I was surprised that that will, I guess, it has been the case of people who are neurodivergent, or starting their own business. I believe the stats are like that level some reports, I read somewhere. So it was either that I was reading stats on ADHD is it’s about 1/3, that a business or are in entrepreneurial space?

Or whether it was the other way round, where about a third of business owners or entrepreneurs are very likely undiagnosed or diagnosed? neurodivergent? So it was one or the other. However, it’s a significant amount? I think so. Yes, what I would say is that to actually have a look at what the information is out there. Or that’s evidence based, ideally, but attitude mag has got really great information on ADHD, embrace autism has great information and screening assessments on autism. So I would say that can be a start to gain a little bit more of an understanding. And then it is about having a conversation with a mental health professional, someone who is very familiar, and ideally is in the diagnostic space, that can give you an actual ability to look further into it with you.

And who is neuro affirming, or psychiatrists, psychologists, even like certain mental health, social workers may be able to give you some support there. And also, the GP may be a good start otherwise to kind of start having those discussions. There’s, there’s an incredible amount of information online, it was just a matter of, I guess, wading through what’s actually quite evidence base, and what is maybe more reported as a lived experience. And I’m not suggesting that the lived experience is not valid, it’s more a matter of like that everyone has a different lived experience.

But we do know, there’s certain patterns, certain traits that are very much aligned with these different, I guess, disabilities. And so it is worth exploring, whether it is something that you identify with, and especially if you want to seek proper intervention, and know the types of strategies that would work best for you and and helps you channel your work into entrepreneurship in a way that is much more effective than maybe it has been running.

Hayley Quinn 13:19

Fantastic. So coming back to you, you’ve started these things. You had two children, you’re on maternity leave, and you’re like, hey, I think I’ll start a business. Okay, what were your biggest challenges with that?

Johanna Badenhorst 13:38

I guess I was probably delving into it quite deep. And it was maybe initially, like, done as a bit of a distraction, almost like, there was some pretty difficult stuff that was happening in the personal space. And like, my little one was, I guess, unwell at times. And so it was a way of me, maybe focusing on something that, I guess provided me with more control maybe. But, admittedly, I obviously, I had a lot of support around me, and it wasn’t done to the detriment necessarily, but it was a way of me kind of having of something else to focus on as well. And was my way to kind of cope, I suppose being a classic perfectionist, and I don’t recommend it, I recommend that you actually, seek support when you’re finding that you’re struggling but at the time, that I guess helped me have something to focus on to look forward to. And everything ended up being fine eventually, I guess it was probably me sorting myself into it. And people around me going like, well, what are you doing?

Like, you’re working so incredibly hard, and you’ve got like a four month old I’m like, I know. And as in like, that’s when I was setting stuff up, but I didn’t kind of really properly go into about five, six months. But mind you, it was also a bit of a financial pressure because, like economically. It’s really the like, everything’s changed, right. So it also wasn’t that I could just sit on my hands and just like wait around until the right time, I did it for that reason. So I could actually gently go back into work. And I didn’t have that pressure to have my book sealed from the get go. So it actually, I felt paid off.

Because initially, I only had a few clients in the first couple of weeks, that changed fairly quickly. But it was a pretty gentle introduction back into work. So I felt that would be a better alternative than wait around until like, I had no choice but to have a full book of clients and like, well, that’s probably going to be way more stressful time to return to work. So I did it that way, going back a bit earlier than then having a gentler introduction and figuring stuff out. And I would recommend for people doing that, as opposed to just expecting to get off the ground running with a full book. That’s probably not not the pressure that you need if you’re starting out on your own.

Hayley Quinn 16:08

Absolutely. So it sounds like though there was some challenges in a more kind of those internal, how you kind of operate, we’re operating in the world of I need to do all this by myself. It needs to be perfect. Yeah. But then you also sounds like you’ve made some very wise decisions around well, if I actually start earlier, there’s less pressure on me to have it all sorted out and be full and earning at full capacity straightaway. It’s kind of a bit of a mix of some stuff was challenging. Some stuff works out really, really well.

Johanna Badenhorst 16:41

I guess I worked at like, once I took the pressure off a little bit, and I kind of committed to a day like that was helpful. But, I probably did put a lot of pressure on like having a website looking, amazing from the get go. And, and doing a lot of that myself, like there was a bit of that financial pressure not to be able to delegate from early on.

So it did come at a cost like to have to try and figure out a lot of it on my own in a way. But I did seek, I guess support a couple of months in because I realised that I couldn’t just function at that capacity and still be able to run all the background stuff as well, just entirely on my own.

Hayley Quinn 17:22

So support as in somebody to help with like some of the virtual assistants. So that’s really important, isn’t it to have support, whether it’s actually practical support in terms of somebody doing the tasks, or support in terms of actually somebody guiding or mentoring you or supporting you with your mental health or support, whether it’s getting helping at the home, whatever it might be? We can’t always do everything by ourselves.

Although I know for myself, I used to be like that. “No, I can do everything. And I will” and then I crashed and burned and went “okay, man.” Maybe that’s not very sensible. So how do you manage all those roles? Because you are a business owner, you’re on your own podcast, you’ve got two children, you’re in your relationship with your partner, like, how do you manage all that?

Johanna Badenhorst 18:16

Yeah, it’s a real juggle, I can tell you that and you know about it yourself, like it is, can be quite taxing and boundaries are really hard to navigate and to maintain in a way that is healthy for everyone. And so I guess they need revisiting all the time of like, am I putting the amount of hours in my work that I sustainable that I want to and also having regular check ins with my partner about, like, how their households running or not running so well. So that’s probably what’s dropped for me is like, I’m already not someone who is a House Maker at the best of times, I’m happy to admit that. And I’m very much like love the parenting side of things, but actual, like chores around the house, I mean, I could really do without, and it’s something that I really need my own therapist was even like, honestly, like, maybe the best thing you could do is just to invest in a cleaner and I’ve obviously been procrastinating on that too.

And so it is something that I know I need to because that is something that doesn’t inspire me and would be an easy thing to outsource. So that at least that big things taken off my shoulders, because that tends to be a bit of a contention point in our household. Because, yeah, that like as like sharing that load and figuring out like a fair division of labour. I mean, all those things play a part. And it does take time and a lot of checking in with one another throughout and it’s gonna maybe lead to some disagreements at times, but I guess that’s all part of you know, figuring this out, it’s normal to have these moments where you need to come back together. And is this working, what’s not working, because situationally things change. Kids take up more activities. I mean, you need to be realistic about what you as a family can commit to, and whether it’s not worth the, you know, cost in time and energy to over commit to things. And that needs to, I guess, be constantly revisited. Because otherwise, people within the family you’re going to burn out or it’s going to lead to more difficulties, kind of managing your own work life rhythm I prefer as opposed to balance.

Hayley Quinn 20:43

I don’t think we’re ever there isn’t a balance, isn’t there a way to proportion that’s not going to happen when you do life, I call it a work life blend. Work Life rhythm as well.

Johanna Badenhorst 20:55

Blend is also good So and when the rhythm is really out, that’s probably when you notice yourself being more exhausted, feel more disconnected. And when it’s in flow, I suppose that’s when you come into work, feel more energised, come home, you know, you feel that you can give that the space that it needs in the connection with your kids and your partner, when it’s in a better flow, it’s not going to be flawless, be entirely without its issues. But you tend to feel a lot more of that being in your end of tolerance, feeling connected and safe. And that those will be the things that I think are good, is a good indication when things are in a space that are working for you.

Hayley Quinn 21:36

The flip side of that is if things start to feel off, it’s time isn’t it to check back in I love that you said that. You know, this isn’t a set and forget, it is not like okay, this is how we’re going to run life. This is how I’m gonna do business in the family and everything. Set and forget, this is a keep coming back and revisiting. How is it feeling now? And that might be that you do a check in every few months. It might be at some point that you’re actually checking in every day. Yeah, money what’s going on in your in your life? Hey, it’s like, okay, how am I feeling? How? How are the relationships in my life? What’s the level of conflict? If it’s there? Am I feeling disconnected from my children, or my partner or my friends or whatever it might be? So I love that you raised that, because it’s important that we do keep coming back to ourselves and checking in, how’s it going? across all domains?

Johanna Badenhorst 22:29

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Hayley Quinn 22:33

So in terms of support you have in your business, how important do you think it is to have a community of people around you that are perhaps other business owners or entrepreneurs that understand what you are doing and the goals you’re trying to achieve in your life? Because I do think it’s different, when we’re self employed compared to an employee mindset. So what are your thoughts on that?

Johanna Badenhorst 22:59

Yeah, I think that has gotten me through and has made me feel as connected and supported as possible, I would not have been able to be like in this position where I am now if it wasn’t for a lot of my colleagues, and I call them colleagues. They’re technically people I’ve met through Instagram like yourself, who I’ve since connected with, and I feel inspired by and have collaborated with, and no doubt those things inspire me a lot. Like I find that when I do those things, I feel less isolated, I feel more connected with my fellow psychologists and fellow allied health professionals. And I guess social media, for me has made a big difference in having access to that, like, I know, there’s a lot of negative kind of connotation and stuff, but honestly, I would feel so more much more lonely. If it wasn’t for Facebook and Instagram, in my profession as I am now.

Like, it’s made a world of difference, like a chat to people behind the scenes, we just kind of randomly start talking about each other’s day, if we see stories come past or, or we have, we’ve connected, a supervision group through that way, peer supervision group, or I have met people like yourself who do such amazing work, and then, I’ve made some really great connections and it’s, it’s made such a difference, because I probably felt feel more of that now than I may have even felt that in a workplace where I was maybe in a team where I was surrounded by people who maybe didn’t share the values that I did, and that was actually not the most connecting thing in the world. You can be in a workplace and you can have a team but the team does have to be smart like people Yes, it can be of varying backgrounds and have different values and belief systems but at certain point like, I often felt that I was a bit misplace and now I can surround myself with other neurodivergent people or non neurodivergent people. It does help me a little bit to mic myself a bit more.

Hayley Quinn 25:04

Absolutely. I think you make a good point about social media. And some of its, you know, there’s a lot of rubbish out there on social media. But I think if we curate what is coming across our feeds, in a way that is supportive of us, it can be really, really helpful. I like you, I’ve got lots of people I’ve never met in real life, but I have really lovely relationships with online. So I do think that’s, that’s something that’s really important. And for me, I have connections with people who are psychologists and allied health. But I’m also in groups where the women are from all different backgrounds of business, they’re all business owners, but they are from such a diverse range of businesses.

And I find that so inspiring and so helpful, because as a business owner, my husband will often say to me, my gosh, you’re like on such a learning curve with so many different things. And I said to him the other day, I almost feel like I’ve gone back to university. But it’s like this mixed subject pool. Yeah, there’s so many different things to learn about, you know, running Facebook ads, or doing social media, doing marketing, learning about different platforms, doing copywriting, all the things, not just the things I do in terms of like coaching and the groups that I run. But all the technical things, you have to learn all this stuff that you don’t think of when you kind of go to a nine to five job, I feel quite fortunate that my life was very varied. Because before becoming a psychologist, and I worked in advertising agency, I worked for CEOs of different companies, I’d be bookkeeping, all sorts of stuff, which has been helpful. And yet, there’s still so much to learn.

And of course, it just changes so quickly these days as well. So I think that sort of stuff is important. And then you’re like, you’re saying you kind of connect with people who understand where you’re going. And then when you have some of the wins in your business? They are the people you know that when you tell them about it, they’re gonna celebrate with you. Even if it’s just the little things that might have happened, like if I get a speaking gig somewhere, and I know that I know, the people that I can go to. And so, I just got invited to do this speaking event, or conference or something, and then they’re going to be there with me kind of cheering me on, which is really lovely. It’s so so important, isn’t it?

Johanna Badenhorst 27:33

Yeah, no. And I think when you are in those different spaces, that contain, like from coaches that do bring in so many different people from so many different backgrounds, you learn a lot from other business owners that have very little to do with, with psychology, but at the end of the day, it is there, we have to run without registry board in mind or force. But it is really helpful to learn how other people are operating because we as psychologists probably don’t get taught enough about what it’s like running a business or at all really, to be honest. So it which is which really, like puts us on the backfoot a bit like as like to kind of survive in a way so like, as a business owner.

Like, it’s really hard to kind of navigate that stuff when, and it’s probably for a lot of Allied Health, like it’s not their priority to teach us what that involves. But it’s a crucial part of being a business owner, as a psychologist like to actually understand the workings of it and what, how to actually make a sustainable business that doesn’t burn you out. Like, there should be skills taught, right?

Hayley Quinn 28:42

You’re not gonna get any argument from me, of course, this is why I started the work sort of moving away from the clinical work. And I’d had so many psychologists that I was working with in supervision, who started to ask me, How do I start, you know, I want to start my own business. What does that look like? I had such a strong early kind of work history in admin, bookkeeping, that kind of thing.

So for me, it didn’t scare me to start up on my own. And fortunately, I’m married to a man who’s been working for himself his whole life as well. So he does well in business. So I had that support. But I just felt so passionate when people were asking me about it. And then of course, because of my own burnout, it was really important for me that when I was talking to people about starting businesses, it was really about start with your own well being in mind. So as you build that business, you are building it so it’s sustainable, and you’re going to be doing everything you can to avoid burnout.

So absolutely 100% with you on that and it’s totally my passion area. So if you were to go back and do anything differently, is there anything that you would do differently in hindsight, if you were talking to somebody and they said, Yeah, I’m gonna do this what what might be something you might do to seem like?

Johanna Badenhorst 30:01

Well, that’s a good question. I’m just trying to think I probably would still, I guess be more self compassionate, like I still was quite harsh on myself or maybe took things personally a bit at the beginning of certain things didn’t work out whether it was clients not seeing things through, I guess when you’re really new to it, you kind of probably do hyper fixate on those things a bit more. Because you are worried that maybe you are an imposter, after all, and it is kind of that feeling of like, Oh, if they’re, you know, not interested in my service any longer or I wasn’t the right fit, like, am I going to be the right fit for anyone?

You know, so luckily, didn’t happen all that much. I did find the good thing about when you’re working in a niche that you’re passionate about. And clearly I connected with more I have found that it’s, it made a big difference in terms of retention. And but even when that was a little bit looking like, coincidentally, people just didn’t have the resources or maybe it was about the fit somewhat. Like, I guess it’s hard not to kind of focusing on that and focus on the negatives and what’s not going well.

So having a bit more of a stepping back and looking at the big picture and go Yeah, no, actually, like, I’m really content with my values, and that I’m practising my values, and I will attract the right people, and the people that like, wanting to work with me, and also probably having more of a business strategy would be an advantage, I probably didn’t. And I think I still don’t have a clear strategy in mind, like I am one of those people, that’s kind of just does things by the side of their pants anyway.

So I would probably benefit from something like that. So I will be something I will invest in at some stage soon. Because I do recognise that in order for me to like scale, even more, or just rejig things from a business perspective as well, to make it even more sustainable and meet the demands of the clients and it doesn’t eat into my personal time as much as it has, that I probably need a better strategy around.

Hayley Quinn 32:18

this is a few things there isn’t. There’s that pesky little imposter syndrome. I haven’t noticed, I’ve got a couple of episodes, I can’t remember what number I think 38 and 43, but could be wrong. Where I’ve interviewed Dr. Valerie young, and Dr. Jill Stoddrd, about impostor syndrome. So if anybody listening hasn’t listened to those go and have a listen if impostor syndrome, something you struggle with. But I think being aware that that is something that can show up for ourselves, and you mentioned self compassion.

And again, you’re not going to get any argument from me around that, that’s totally my passion area, is how can we be gentle with ourselves and like you say, zoom back out and remind yourself, you can’t possibly be a fit for 100% of people. And part of what we know in the psychology field and in other business areas it’s going to apply as well, is that you know that fit in that relationship is going to be a really important part of the work that you do with somebody.

And in any business you’re in, if somebody isn’t aligned or a good fit, then your services are probably not going to be the right for them. And that’s okay. Because if you were the right fit for everybody, you would be working 24 hours a day, seven days a week, and you’d be totally burnt out. So it’s good that we’re not the right fit for everyone.

You also mentioned to meet the demands of the clients. And I think this is where you’re absolutely right in terms of having a strategy and being clear about what you want to do. Because particularly as helping professionals, we can get caught up in I need to meet the needs of others. But it’s so important that we hold the needs of ourselves in that strategy as well. And this is a lot of the work I do when I’m coaching people or within my group coaching programme.

Because otherwise, we can get caught up in booking in too many people or taking on too many jobs. A different type of business. And then once you’ve got those people on your books, or you know accessing your business, it can be hard to drop that down. Yeah, it’s easier to pop somebody else back in than it is to just say to somebody on actually I’m too busy today. Now I don’t want to work with you anymore.

Yeah, like nobody’s going to be doing that. So that stuff is really important. I’ve always had my own business coach, obviously I am a business coach. So I advocate for that. I just think it’s really important in terms of people can see your blind spots. People can stand back and look at the patterns that you’re perhaps falling into.

And just help you bring out that inner wisdom that That for me is always important because your idea of success may be very diferent to my idea of success, and it’s important that you work with your own idea of success, and your own expertise in your own life. But having somebody else to help you do that can be really helpful. So it sounds like you’ve got some plans for yourself kind of to change things up or expand things maybe moving forward. That’s really exciting. I’m excited for you.

Johanna Badenhorst 35:24

Yeah, thanks. I hope to delve more into the ADHD space. I’ve got some things planned with. I have some colleagues in that as well around maybe collabing on getting a programme off the ground to service women, also from a nutrition perspective as well. So I’ve got a good friend Kia, who works at embody health and her and I do like, we have recorded several podcasts episodes together and share a big passion.

And I am really excited about what we’re creating, we’re both ADHD. So we’re both like, the types of people just to go all in and then, we’ll just have to make sure not to burn ourselves out and doing it. But I’m excited to create a bit more of an online presence there together. And, probably out of that, whether we continue or like, I have other ideas in mind, for my own community, especially mothers as well.

So I hope to have more online communities available in a very short period of time. So that is something that, if people are interested, they can ask me more about that to get involved into Yeah, I guess maybe I would just say jump on my newsletter to just stay up to date as to what is coming out. Because they I’ve got big, big ideas, but I hope to also actually initiate them.

Hayley Quinn 36:54

And again, having that right support around you, to cheer you on, but also to keep you accountable. And it sounds like as well, for you to make sure that you’re not doing too much that you end up burnt out as well. And that’s okay. Because if you burn out, you’re not gonna help anyone, right?

Yes, the more the more we take care of ourselves, the more we have capacity to help other people and make the impact that we want to make. So I will put your links and things in the show notes. And I think as well will pop the embracing autism link in the attitude magazine link as well. You mentioned earlier because they might be helpful for anybody that’s a bit more curious. You’re prevalent on Instagram and Facebook, you were saying?

Johanna Badenhorst 37:36

Yeah, very, very true Yes, yes. So yeah, I have my website that, you can visit and there’ll be all my services listed there. I’ve got my ADHD Her Way podcast that people can listen to, which covers a lot of ADHD information and has lots of guests, including yourself, that, we discuss all aspects of neuro divergence of neurodiversity, and also strategies and things like that. That are very generalised. But, I do work with individuals one on one as well. And then yes, I hope to have more of an online face as well to support women more broadly, and to service the community in a way that I think is probably needed.

Because there’s lots out there. But at times, it’s a matter of finding your own community that is really, you feel really comfortable with and you feel really connected with so for neurodivergent people like yourself, I’m sure that we felt a lot of times that we haven’t had that always. I certainly had an at the beginning. So that’s what I would like love to create as well.

Hayley Quinn 38:48

So for people listening, you’re based in Brisbane, what do you do face to face in Brisbane, but also online? So if people are listening from other places around Australia? Yeah, they can access you online as well.

Johanna Badenhorst 39:02

Yes, that’s right. So I do have telehealth services. And a lot of people see me all over Australia. And I work across the week. So I tend to have that both availability and pass in here in North Brisbane. I’ve got a couple of rooms I operate out of. And I can also see people via telehealth so and people can reach out I have some spaces and maybe once this episode, like really is released yes, that there may or may not be spaces but still feel free to reach out and if it’s not me then I can always support you reaching out to other people that I would highly recommend so yeah, fantastic.

Hayley Quinn 39:43

So before we finish up and you did just mentioned before that I’m on your podcast, so if people are enjoying this one please jump over to ADHD Her Way and go and listen to Johanna and I talking on that one as well. But before I finish, I always have a question that I love to ask ask my guests. And that is if you could meet your 80 year old self today, what do you think she would say to you?

Johanna Badenhorst 40:11

She would probably say things like, you’ve done an incredible lot with your life, you’ve really lived it to the fullest. And I hope you’re incredibly proud of yourself, the changes that you’ve made in people’s lives even small.

And that you’ve really touched a lot of people more than you may realise, in terms of the reach and that I guess, you really prioritise the people who you love, and you hadn’t sacrifice that time with them, the quality time you could spend with them for things like you know, business and everything else, you really had your priorities straight, that I would love to think that that was the case.

Hayley Quinn 41:05

Well, the beautiful thing about that, isn’t it when we connect with our future self and you that stuff comes up for you, you can now ask yourself, Okay, how do I check in to make sure that is how I’m living, so that when I get to be my eighty year old self, that is what I will be looking back and saying,

Johanna Badenhorst 41:20

Yeah, I do love that exercise. Yeah, it’s a good one, isn’t it?

Hayley Quinn 41:23

I love that for you. So thank you so much for coming on the podcast. I’ll put all your details in the show notes. It’s been an absolute pleasure, chatting with you, Johanna. And I wish you all the best with your future plans for your business and all the things you’re going to do to help impact people in the world. Thank you so much for joining me.

Johanna Badenhorst 41:42

Thanks so much. I loved having this chat.

Hayley Quinn 41:50

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